Karma, Choice and Destiny
G: I am not able to digest your statement that I have or make no choice at all and I am only playing the role as per my destiny.
S: You need not at this stage. Nor is it possible for you now; at your stage, I also could not. Don’t worry about this. You may or may not be destined to accept what I say I believe in. You are doing your Karma. You have no choice.
G: I cannot accept that we should keep quiet.
S: You will not be able to keep quiet if you are not destined to do so and some one who is destined to keep quiet will keep quiet.
G: How can one tolerate even after watching atrocities forced on us. At any point of time if I think that I may receive some punishment on the X issue, I am unable to bear that thought.
S: Do not keep your mind on what happened in the past and its impact on present and future. Think only of what you do NOW at present. You are only one of the many persons whose interactions result in certain actions/ impact over which you have no control. Each person seems to have decided and acted rationally for him and her and you had to face the adverse consequences. That is what is happening all the while in this world. Sun has to burn for no reason of its own, Moon cannot see the Sun from all its side even if it wishes to and we have tides because of the Moon. Someone looses his parents young; some others have to care for their sick and old parents. Why can’t everyone’s parents die at the same age of say 65 years?
G: But advances in Science can explain the causes of all happenings you are talking about.
S: Yes, Science establishes links between causes and events/ effects. But Science, logic or rationality does not explain why the Sun and the Moon have to exist the way they do: only explanation available is the process in which the Sun and the Moon exist. Science can only explain in terms of differences in body structures, genetics, food and other habits and other external happenings like car accident. But such an explanation does not help. For we want to know why a particular individual is chosen to suffer a particular impact. Science and logic have limited explanatory power. They can only relate present happenings/differences in terms of past happenings/ differences. All this is part of Knowledge and is consistent with the Fundamental Principle of Destiny. With that civilization progresses ahead in an exponential manner every century. But science and logic cannot explain why is that in the Universe each Sun has to be there to burn for such long periods. We cannot really explain why a man died and another man did not die in the same accident.... Why the first person was in the coach of the train that caught fire and the second person did not get the chance to be in the same coach? Why we have to have people with differences. Why can’t the universe have all persons identical in all aspects?
G: I understand that the people are different. But, I am unable to forget those people (right from juniors to seniors) who instigated all to blow our issue out of proportion. N tampered the documents. RN and SR treated me dishonestly, unfairly though they were not my enemies.
S: Those people did what they were destined to do. Their actions now are the results of their actions in the past and thoughts and their future destiny will be influenced by what they did in the recent past.
G: If not for me, but for the good to prevail and to prevent these kinds of people harming others, I feel I need to do something at some point of time.
S: Good prevails ultimately. Your feelings are perfectly legitimate. If you are destined to do something to prevent them, you will do it. But prevention is not ultimately in your hands. No one could stop India being divided in 1947. Even Krishna could not stop the war of Kurukshetra. No one could stop Hitler. No one could stop Hiroshima Atom Bomb. No one could stop Godhra. No one could make India a super-economic power despite 50 years of Planning in the last century. No one could stop the great famine in China, nor its economic liberalization. You do what your conscience tells you and your guts and emotions forces you to do, but don’t expect that you are the person who will deliver the results by your actions unless the results are in the path of destiny.
G: I need further clarity on your definition of destiny. As I understand from your explanations, if a ‘being’ fully submits to God, for him everything is happiness in the world. This is case of Epicureans. On the other hand, if a person does not fully submit himself to God then he is supposed to have fluctuating melancholia.
S: This is your interpretation to which you are entitled. You cannot submit to God by your decision. If you submit to God that is your destiny...many developments happen before you submit to God. Submission to God is a path in which you are trying to be in peace of mind irrespective of what happens in the environment or your body or your mind. The Goal is not submission to God; it is merely a path to free your intellect and State of mind from the bondage of the World
G: Further, as I understand, nature will not allow any being to discover the Truth about itself. If someone attempts to, it creates all trials for him and checks him whether he is fully qualified to know the Truth and secrets about itself. This attempt is to find out the truth I call as Determination. For this, one need not be destined.
S: Whether one has determination at any point of time or not is also determined by the operation of the Destiny Principle. Not all found out the Truth about Law of Gravitation. Only one, Newton did.
G: The point is that one should have the determination to fight against destiny.
S: Determination is a very attractive word. But a thief also requires determination to be successful in stealing jobs. If you are destined, you will have determination. So, determination is not a fight against destiny... determination and lack of determination are parts of a being’s destined path.
G: It is the “never, never give up” attitude we find with a spider or Robert Bruce or Lincoln or Dhuruva or Nachiketa. This determination ensures progress towards achieving positive goals in the service of the humanity.
S: All these great men were great and had determination not because they wanted to be great or decided to have strong determination, but because they were destined to be Great and have determination. None could stop India being divided in 1947. Even Krishna could not stop the war of Kurukhsetra. One merely does what one’s conscience tells in accordance with the Principle of Destiny. It is your guts and emotions that force you to do. You therefore do what you are destined. You have only the right to do destined work. But don’t expect that you are the person who will deliver the desired results of your actions unless those results are in the path of destiny.
G: Even after knowing all these things why I am not able to digest the facts around me? I am not able to find the reason for this. Maybe I have the ego that I have been so good and sincere and have not thought any bad for others. Therefore this arrogance leads me to ask the question: when I have been so good and when I am not at fault why I should suffer?
S: What you are doing is absolutely natural and as per your destiny. That is the part and parcel of destiny of a living being with body and mind. You and I think we are independent separate entities and that if we have done right, others will do no wrong to us. We are destined to think that way. But that thinking does not have any rational basis. Nor is such thinking relevant to the Reality. The water vapor traveled up, combined with others to form rain-clouds and then it came down to earth back as part of rain. But it cannot ask why she was in the sky for 29 hours with another vapor, which stayed as part of cloud for 3 hours before falling down as rain. This is the principle of destiny written in simplistic form.
G: I wish I could meet you instead of discussing with you through emails.
S: Your wish can be fulfilled if we are destined to meet someday, somewhere in future.
G: The insight I get from your writing is convincing. But, we don’t know the purpose of our birth and what we have to accomplish?
S: Yes, we don’t know and we need not know except that the purpose of our birth is to continue in the bondage of destiny and move along the path of destiny. And, we accomplish what we are destined to do.
G: I was pondering over your statements. A few things came to my mind. According to me, the principle of Karma is a linear equation in the hands of God.
S: I don’t know whether it is an equation or if it is linear. But whatever it is, it may not be in the hands of God. Rather God is bound by the principle of destiny and we are all linked to that. Thus, we are both in and part of God that symbolizes the time path of destiny of the Universe and all that the Universe contains.
G: I seem to agree that there is destiny.
S: We agree and probably we are right.
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